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Post by Nightmare Master on Jun 30, 2006 18:59:02 GMT -5
Hey guys, ever notice how Alice looks in the beginning of this movie, but her features slowly start to change? Like her face, she starts to look totally different. It might just be me, but I seriously think that she changes in this movie. Oh, and this has nothing to do with her gaining the other victim's powers if that's what you think.
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Post by Isodore on Jun 30, 2006 20:47:34 GMT -5
I think part of it's the outfit as well. She went from restaurant employee to more of an I-can-kick-your-ass,-punk! frame of mind. She went from shy to outgoing.
It's sorta the same way Freddy went from scarred to scarred, fanged, and goblin-eared in Freddy v. Jason. You see the person differently as their personality changes.
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Post by Nightmare Master on Jul 1, 2006 11:35:03 GMT -5
Hmmm, good point there. Thanks. ;D
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Post by Isodore on Jul 5, 2006 18:26:02 GMT -5
Now MY question here;
In Freddy vs. Jason, it's revealed that he needs to kill/obtain more souls to regain his full strength, as he'd been losing it.
Yet at the end of IV here, he loses every soul he'd taken to the point of being rendered a totally un-influential and incorporeal form.
Despite that, he popped right back in Dream Child.
Now I know you could say "well, FvJ came later..so they screwed up." but the concept of him needing souls (and fear) to thrive was shown at the end of the first movie as well. So why, after losing every bit of power he had in IV, did he show up easily in V?
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Post by FK02 on Jul 5, 2006 18:38:53 GMT -5
Now MY question here;
In Freddy vs. Jason, it's revealed that he needs to kill/obtain more souls to regain his full strength, as he'd been losing it.
Yet at the end of IV here, he loses every soul he'd taken to the point of being rendered a totally un-influential and incorporeal form.
Despite that, he popped right back in Dream Child.
Now I know you could say "well, FvJ came later..so they screwed up." but the concept of him needing souls (and fear) to thrive was shown at the end of the first movie as well. So why, after losing every bit of power he had in IV, did he show up easily in V? Good point. Remember, he suddenly appeared in Nighmare on Elm Sreet 1 with no souls or fear after he had died so many years before. So he did the same again. Now, he still needs Alice to get access to other kids, and is pretty much useless as Alice shut him out for good. But baby boy Jacob, has his mothers powers and Freddy can enter his dreams, and use his powers that are similiar to that of his mothers to bring in new kids and bring up a new collection. But I can see what he meant by finding his mothers earthly trapped spirit to become re-born through her first. He may not have stalked dreams, but angry ghosts never rest. He needed to come back into the world the way he was again, so became re-born. Maybe you could say, dreamed himself back. But that sounds a little stupid so I just say reborn. Then, when he was back and at low power, he makes Jacob his tool. It's all down to speculation of the series. Do it thouroughly and all becomes clear
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Post by Isodore on Jul 5, 2006 19:02:10 GMT -5
That was also the film where he was dropped flat by a ten-minute arsenal of Home Alone-style booby-traps. Also at that time, he met practically no resistance save from Nancy. As it was said in New Nightmares "Nancy was the first person to ever defeat him". So at the time, he was used to lightweight fighting. In the first movie, he didn't do much in the way of mazes/special traps or anything. He just snuck in, slashed, and left. By the later movies, he'd actually built up power and had more fun at it.
And yeah, I get the aspect of manipulating the kid; I just find it odd he was able to exert that level of control on the Dream Realm considering how badly he lost in IV.
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Post by FK02 on Jul 6, 2006 15:42:25 GMT -5
That was also the film where he was dropped flat by a ten-minute arsenal of Home Alone-style booby-traps. Also at that time, he met practically no resistance save from Nancy. As it was said in New Nightmares "Nancy was the first person to ever defeat him". So at the time, he was used to lightweight fighting. In the first movie, he didn't do much in the way of mazes/special traps or anything. He just snuck in, slashed, and left. By the later movies, he'd actually built up power and had more fun at it.
And yeah, I get the aspect of manipulating the kid; I just find it odd he was able to exert that level of control on the Dream Realm considering how badly he lost in IV.Well yeah, he resided in Jacob and got more souls as a result. But you have to remember, Freddy was amature even in part 1. He probably still had much more to learn in terms of how he could manipulate his worl d then. Nightmare 4 'I've been guarding my gate for a long time, b****!' So you see, that line suggests that he has had more time to work on it and gotten betetr at how he does his job. Also in part 2 he tried to escaoe the dream world, I guess he hated being beaten by Nancy and thought 'Screw this!'. But by the end he was beaten by love. He found it too difficult and learned to love his job and have fun and torture the kids in a way. This would explain the beginning of a funnier type Freddy in part 3. You also have to remember, most fans have worked out that the last moments of that film were all a dream. Nancy never woke up with him, Freddy just changed worlds and made o catch her off guard and take away her courage a little. Or have fun with her. But he still got hit with those traps pretty good LMAO! It is the best explination and it took many hardcore fans to come to the conclusion. I know some ends are left untied but seriously, I think it better to view it that way. I should ask Craven, why has no one thought of that? lol! So, it all makes sense, I hope you get it now ;D I'm always happy to help with these things.
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Post by Isodore on Jul 6, 2006 19:12:16 GMT -5
Of course the question is then raised; does anyone EVER wake up from the final nightmare?
I just realized when you pointed out that the car got them in part 1, that there's always some hint of Freddy at the end of the movies....
Also..
I know a lot of people DESPISED the funny Freddy, saying he was less scary. I personally liked comedic-Freddy, as just about every other horror/slasher villain had been this cold/deadly silent type before then (besides, there's something decidedly scarier about a guy who kills and can laugh about it after). Am I the only one who liked his funny side more?
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Post by FK02 on Jul 7, 2006 9:43:14 GMT -5
Well, you could say that, but the answer is yes they do wake. Niel went to sleep at the end of part 3 and the little room in the model house lit up, Freddy came back. He always does but only part 1 had Nancy not waking. It still i a little confusing. Being the big fan I am, even I'll admit the ending was rushed. Someone definitely should ask Craven at a fan convention or something And personally, I am at a 50/50. I LOVED scary Freddy and I loved funny Freddy. Both work well, and in part 3 we got a nice mix. It's partly why I like Freddy the best, he is the most dynamic and original and not silent and stalking ;D
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Post by horrorfreak on Dec 23, 2006 20:20:21 GMT -5
I myself think she's hot,but by the end of the movie she lookes even better. (Most likely done with make up.)
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Post by nightstalker on Jan 2, 2007 6:52:51 GMT -5
Now MY question here;
In Freddy vs. Jason, it's revealed that he needs to kill/obtain more souls to regain his full strength, as he'd been losing it.
Yet at the end of IV here, he loses every soul he'd taken to the point of being rendered a totally un-influential and incorporeal form.
Despite that, he popped right back in Dream Child.
Now I know you could say "well, FvJ came later..so they screwed up." but the concept of him needing souls (and fear) to thrive was shown at the end of the first movie as well. So why, after losing every bit of power he had in IV, did he show up easily in V? But like you said, at the end of part 1 he lost all the power he had. So how did he come back in part 2 ? At the end of part 3 he was banished to hell in what SHOULD have been the "real" death..."ya shouldn't have buried me...I'm not dead". As much as I love this series, there are certain glitches (and even more serious flubs) I'd fix if I could. When it comes to contuinity and logic flaws, there were some really annoying and careless ones.
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Post by Nightmare Master on Jan 2, 2007 18:45:30 GMT -5
There are a lot of flaws within the Nightmare on Elm Street series.
Some things make sense, some don't. It gets really confusing, but I think that's what keeps everything scary.
Most people are afraid of the unknown, and are afraid to admit it. So, when you get confused it makes you think, but when you're too confused you can't think, and then you become nervous/afraid/ect.
Although, that's just my opinion, because that's how I feel toward some things.
Also, I'm 50/50 I like funny Freddy and scary Freddy equally. But I think they should cut down on the comedy, because it'll attract more of a comedic crowd other than horror.
In the end of part 1, everything was back to normal, until the car went Freddy-a-fied and took off with them inside it. Obviously, Nancy Thompson was still asleep. So, Freddy didn't lose all of his power. He was playing mind games with her.
Freddy came back in part 2, after Nancy evidently moved out of 1428 Elm Street and Jesse moved in. Once Jesse showed he was afraid of Freddy from being such a wuss with his nightmares, Freddy took control and kicked ass, until Lisa took his strength away.
But in the end of part 2, it was obvious that Jesse was still asleep.
In part 3 Freddy's remains were burried in hollowed ground, and the grave was blessed.
But when Neil went to sleep, the doll house lit up, showing that Freddy came back, and in part 4 he returned for revenge on Kristen.
He got Kristen, the last of the Elm Street children, but Freddy was hungry for more. It wasn't about revenge any more. He just wanted to kill. So, in part 5 he tried to spawn a child through Alice, but since it didn't work, and he got his ass kicked by Jacob, and sucked back into Amanda Krueger's womb, in the end of course, he clawed the crap out of her.
Now, to the Final Nightmare, Freddy just turned into one BIG goof. He sent John out to find his daughter, Katherine ( Maggie ), and when he was no use to him any longer, he killed him. According to Freddy "every town has an Elm Street" he most likely just told everyone that he's never going to stop until there's no more dreamers left.
New Nightmare doesn't count because that's just not a "Freddy" movie. That should've been the start of a new series.
In Freddy Vs. Jason, Freddy awoke Jason to do his dirty work for him, he wanted Jason to purposley frame him so people would fear Freddy again, and he'd gain enough strength to come back and kill more.
So. Freddy Vs. Jason was a start of a new series.
Are we still on topic here? XD
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